So welcome John Delinn, nice to have you here.

Thanks.

Thanks cross-examiner.

Do I refer to you as the cross-examiner?

You can call me the cross-examiner, you can call me Graham, you can call me

hey you, however I like to do it

it good with me thanks

thanks for having me on your show and thanks for being on my show

100% I'm really glad that I reached out to you

I'm really glad that you

offered to have us release this on both of our shows.

I think both of our listeners would really benefit

from this conversation of me getting to know you and your work and your journey through your belief system.

So I really do appreciate it. You are by all means a very very busy individual so I appreciate you taking the time. My pleasure. Yeah, thanks for having me.

All right. Well I'm going to give my listeners a little bit of a background and correct me if I'm wrong.

So you are a former member of the Church of Latter-day Saints. People will call them

Mormons or Church of Latter-day-Sates. My Mormon friends call themselves LDSers all the time.

How do you prefer to refer to your your form of belief?

The official name is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It's really a

handful. A believing Mormon would say that Jesus Christ is the most important part.

So you don't want to leave that out.

The Latter-day Saints is just Joseph Smith's spin on the name, and it's meant to sort of remind us all that Jesus is coming soon and the church was

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