access more everybody. Welcome to the Dream Big Podcast. So glad you're with us and every

once in a while you get a chance to meet something really fun and John Eldridge is one of those

really fun guys. You've probably met him from books he's written, talks he's given. It's just

an opportunity for us to have a conversation about life and faith and resiliency and so John

welcome to the podcast. Yeah, thanks Bob. It's really it's an honor to get to chat with you and

and with all your friends listening to us. Yeah, we've been talking about some friends that we

haven't common and folks on the podcast have heard Bill Loki before. Bill told his story and I

know that he is very dear to you. Describe him for everyone the three people that don't know about

you on earth. Like who you are and what you're about. Yeah, so Bill and I met because we're therapists.

So there's kind of a connection there. I've been a Christian counselor for more than 30 years.

Living Colorado. Love the outdoors. I've been married to Stacey for 38 years. We have three sons

who are now adults and raising families of their own and we do a work here based out of Colorado

where we we have retreats, conferences, a podcast, things like that. But what we're about is

healing human hearts. We're really big about the life of the heart. Yeah, I think you have so many

notable books and a lot of people became introduced to you through wild at heart. Yeah, which was

just kind of runaway success in so many respects. But it wasn't the notoriety that a book brought you,

you care deeply, reputations, caring deeply for people. Tell us about what it feels like to be you

in this days of, you know, so many things going on and so many distractions in the world.

Give us some thoughts about how it feels to be you in the middle of all of it.

It is a battle not to get pulled into the chaos, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And the tragedy and the

heartbreak and the news and I feel like I am in recovery from the pandemic. And I don't mean in

terms of illness. I just mean the global trauma of it. And we're now in the cascade effects of

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