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So my sincere apologies, but I simply won't be able to introduce today's host, Mr. Eric Mataxis.

Hey, folks.

I'm continuing my conversation with Lance.

Well, now his new book is titled God's Chaos Code.

Lance, you were saying a moment ago that the church, and we don't mean the local church

or this denomination, you mean the ecclesia,

the people of God.

Oh boy.

Right?

Explain that word.

That's a million dollar word you just said.

Well, it's a Greek word, and most words are great, obviously.

Lechheim, actually a Greek word.

Basically, the ecclesia means those who are called out, and it really is, it's the assembly of those who have been called out into

God's kingdom for his purposes while we're here on earth. And obviously back in the days of the Jerusalem Council,

when the apostles were still alive, you could gather the group. Now, you know, there's a couple

of billion so-called Christians around the world, and that becomes just an infinitely politically

complex problem. Who is the leader? Who's going to lead? I assume the Holy Spirit

will lead. Otherwise, our goosees are cooked collectively. Yes, and I want to add another nuance to

that, that that word, Ecclesia, also was the word that had to do with a legislative assembly,

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