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This is the political scene, a weekly conversation with New Yorker writers and editors about politics.

It's Thursday, January 31st. I'm Dorothy Wickendon, executive editor of The New Yorker.

This week, John Kerry was confirmed as the new Secretary of State and Hillary Clinton is stepping down.

On Sunday, Clinton and President Obama discussed her four years as America's chief diplomat

in an interview on 60 Minutes.

You have to be thoughtful.

You can't rush in, especially now where it's more complex and it's been in decades.

You know, I certainly am grateful for the president's steady hand and hard questions and thoughtful analysis as to what we should and shouldn't do.

Ryan, Lizza and John Castor, you're talking with me today about Clinton, Obama, and the administration's foreign policy agenda.

John, you argued this week online that Hillary Clinton was a great ambassador, not a great Secretary of State.

Explain the distinction.

Well, if you look back at a history and say, you know, who were the great secretaries of state,

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