I'm Charles Holmes, the Ringer Music Show, and I'm Cole Kushner from Dicec and Charles and I

are teaming up to create Last Song Standing, a new show where we determine an artist's single best

song by debating our way through their entire catalog. And for our first season, we're covering Kendrick

Lamar. We're talking good kids, pimple butterfly, damn Mr. Morale, the mix tapes, the Lucy's,

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I'm Sean Finnecy and this is the big picture a conversation show about the thing. Last month marked

the 40th anniversary of John Carpenter's sci-fi horror masterpiece, a film that has endured and grown

over the past four decades. Into one of the signature cult classics in American movies,

it has been reconsidered, re-analyzed, and ultimately hailed as a chilling and unexpiring vision of terror.

It's a gory, disquieting, expertly constructed piece of work, and one of my favorite movies ever.

So it was quite a thrill to talk to Carpenter on the show today. He is a genuine hero of mine and a

real no bullshit customer. Our conversation holds true to that form. But before we welcome Carpenter,

I want to set the table for this movie by talking to someone who might love the thing even more than me.

It's Chris Ryan, CR Hello. Hello, Sean. Thank you again for having me open up for one of the great

directors of all time. I feel like this is one of my favorite bits that you do. Where it's like

Claire Dene, but it first CR on horror from this year. Well, I think you're a solid opening act.

You are the gerry-ly Lewis to Carpenter's Elvis Presley today. And obviously I had to speak with you.

This is a movie we've talked about a lot over the years, but we've never potted about. No.

And we've never we've never earned our keep by discussing this movie on Mike.

What do you think of when you think of the thing? I think of a perfect movie. And I think of a movie

that gets more and more perfect. If that's possible, I guess perfection is the arrival of somewhere.

But it grows in my estimation as the years go on for a number of reasons partially because of maybe

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