And there's nothing going to be a tonight we just get to stay in time. We think this city right.

We just get to the same time. Good afternoon Michael Miles here let that be your welcome for the next hour we have with us an old-time friend John

Carney who's the Business and Economics that are bright part you formerly

CNVC formerly Wall Street Journal formerly Business Business Insider, Dealbreaker, which was a thing back in the day.

I've known you for almost 20 years now, dude.

That's a long time.

I was doing the map the other day going through all our old emails, trying to find where we were supposed to show up for this.

Yeah. And I was like, I have a lot of really old emails. It's probably the magician. Yeah,

Yeah, exactly. Going back. It's a long time.

Do you?

So we both came out of the early blog scene in the early aunts.

Do you have a, do you have fond memories of it?

Of course. I mean, I think it was one of the most exciting times in American journalism ever. And American literature. It was a movement, right? There was a

bunch of us, we got together, we didn't know each other beforehand. We met each other literally through our writing. You'd find you'd like and be like I'm gonna hang out with that guy and we'd all find a bar usually the magician and you know get

Lelita yeah Lelita you're're all over the lower side.

And we got to know a lot of really fantastic people,

really interesting people.

And I don't think it would have happened in an era where we were like applying for jobs for mainstream media, writing gigs, or, you know, being editorial assistants or, you know, assistant producers on a television show it happened because we actually

had access to write for the public without any filter I think the other thing is we were a scene but we were very self-aware it was going to be a scene but we also knew this was going to be something special and that was not a big prediction it was very accurate and it wasn't as corporate back then. So there was something kind of living in the moment but also

living in the future about it. There was a really interesting self-denial that went on because people didn't want to quite acknowledge that something

special was happening you know it because no cynical yeah yeah they wanted to be like

it was kind of uncool to acknowledge that it was as cool as it really was.

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