My guest today is John Caglione Jr.

He's an Academy Award winning and Emmy Award winning makeup artist at 15 years old.

When he's in high school, he started becoming really obsessed.

Actually, the obsession started way earlier with movies and also really monster movies and

just how the craft of makeup, not just beauty makeup, but special effects makeup was done

in this incredible way to transform people.

He did this one incredible thing that led him to become mentored by one of the most

legendary names in movie makeup and special effects, a guy named Dick Smith.

And it was Dick Smith who then John started John's career by recommending him to the NBC

makeup program in 1976 where John would then end up honing his skills working on game shows,

soaps, and then for six years with the original cast of Saturday Night Live.

And after that Stint was done, he started going out on his own and started doing all of this

work on movies like Quest for Fire, Zellig, Cotton Club, Heat, Dick Tracy.

And he also designed and applied Heath Ledger's sort of legendary, really iconic Joker character

makeup in The Dark Knight, who's nominated for an Oscar that year for Best Makeup.

And he has been the personal makeup artist to Al Pacino for a solid 30 years and worked most

recently with Al in The Irish Men and Hunters. So excited to explore John's career, his interest,

the art and craft of makeup and the sort of like the different angles and the different past

that that actually encompasses. I'm Jonathan Fields and this is Good Life Project.

You become interested in the world of makeup and effects. Did this start originally, though,

with the fascination with movies or TV or film? Was there something behind that?

Yeah, I think it's all that. It was just the environment at the time. You know, this is like the

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