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Welcome to the Bullwork Podcast. I'm Charlie Sykes. It is day two of the Republican Congress

and going so far. So I think it's a good idea to put some historical perspective on today

and yesterday's shit show. And so we are joined by John Abelon, Senior Political

Analyst and Anchor at CNN whose most recent book is Lincoln and the Fight for Peace. So

first of all, welcome back, John. Thanks, Charlie. It's good to be with you.

It's being a cognitive dissonance as an historian that is meditated on the leadership qualities

of the 16th President of the United States. Is it sort of jarring to think, you know, we've

gone from Lincoln to Matt Gates and Marjorie Taylor Greene in a cat fight? Yeah. I mean,

Lincoln to Trump was jarring enough, you know? It was pretty bad. One of the things I

did in the book is I looked at the essential qualities of Lincoln's character. Because

I think it's all about character at the end of the day. And, you know, what I delineated

was empathy, honesty, humor and humility. And those are four core qualities which are

utterly absent from most of the leaders in the GOP. I think in the wake of Donald Trump.

And we're seeing folks reaping what they've sown. I don't know how many more times people

need to learn that golem turns on its creator. But here you go. As we are recording this,

we don't know what's going to happen on day two, whether or not Donald Trump's all caps

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