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Hello and welcome to full disclosure. Well, you know the spiel by now, a podcast. Hello and welcome to full disclosure.

Ah, well, you know the spiel by now, a podcast project that allows me to spend more time

with an interesting person than I would normally be able to squeeze in on the radio show.

And this week's guest, John Amici, I mean, that description barely does in justice.

John, it's lovely to see you.

I'm going to start with the stuff that people may not know about you.

You're here in your capacity as an organisational psychologist and the author of your new book, The Promises of Giants.

You're also an OBE, a chartered scientist, an elected fellow of the Royal Society for Public Health,

a best-selling New York Times author, a research fellow at the University of East London,

and founder of APS, which brings your psychological, your psychologist training into the workplace.

Hang on, I'm breathing in now before I move on to the next bit.

You're also increasingly sort of popping up in quite surprising places, being called upon, for example, to provide the BBC with a neat explanation of what white privilege is.

You're never been shy of a fight, I think it's fair to say but but you are you know you're

you're picking your fights carefully but but certainly not um i wouldn't say cautiously i think you're

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