It's all about the music. It really is all about the music and you can't, I really don't think you can deny greatness. This is my quote for you. You are uniquely voiced for that circus. It's great. You've always struck me as some sort of like island in the middle of the ocean that doesn't need to sort of be thrown around like the rest of us. The other guys were so mean to me. Like, and I just wanted nothing but for them to succeed. Yeah. Everything's just swimming along. Motley crew. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Right? It's so weird even say. Well, thank you very much. It's nice to see you again. You know, you've done so many things musically, but let's talk about kiss. Yeah, let's talk about what we really care about. So someone from your world sent me a clip of you on the news. And I just had to laugh because you know, it's like, here we are kiss you know and then and then it's like on you know local TV nights in Satan's service museum and I was like oh my god this is so yeah so meta America didn't no one realized it was you know had something to do a seat and I don't know the local news yeah um so am I 2500 items is your There's 2,500 items, but if we're counting records and cassettes and eight tracks and real, reals, and we're well over 5,000. So, yeah. Have you thought about... No, there's a... It's Satan's plan is flying. Have you thought about... I mean, I don't know your wife, but I mean, at some point does she go, should we put this institutionalized and making it like an official thing? Yes, she gives me that sigh of disappointment, you know? As only a wife can. So she sees you bidding on something. Yeah, yeah. You know, auction, right? Sweating.

You know, I have the same problem.

So I, people watch my show get mad when I interject myself and other people's things. But I mean, I think we're similar and we collect a lot of stuff. Yeah. So when I was reading about you collecting, I was like, that makes total sense to me. And I can watch things on people collecting anything. like, dimples or, yeah, I just, I think collecting so fast.

And, um, I always, because I collect weird stuff but like like sometimes people say what do you collect so I like to collect a post war Japanese porcelain figures they call it post war Japan. Interesting. The US the US in order to get the Japanese economy going again started buying a lot of porcelain from Japan. So, they're literally stamped post-war Japan.

And they look like kind of early anime.

It's gonna be like an American cowboy, but it looks like anime, Speed Race Revive, but

fight from the 50s.

But, you know, as you know, when you go down the rabbit hole of a collecting world, now

you're in Kisw World.

Yes.

Now you're in porcelain post-war. You know, it's like it's really nerdy in there.

Like, oh, you don't want that.

That's, that's, you know, that came out later. That's the reissue. This is the real thing. Right, right. So, what did you, you just start collecting pretty early on? Yeah, I started collecting and I believe that, you know, in my eyes, it just makes me feel good from my childhood.

Because you and I grew up and Kiss was all over the place and I would collect back then. I would remember going to Toys or Us and thumbing through the dolls and were the action figures I should say, not dolls, but I could see Gene action. Yeah, yeah. So I loved it and I still have been collecting through all this time. But what I'm doing is I'm really trying to document and make a catalog of everything. Almost like a master catalog? Yes. And they probably don't have something like that. Oh, no, no, no, no mean, I'm talking from every country of like oh my goodness South America and and Korea and everything. There's 27 different versions of dynasty from Korea. And it's still in that era of because I cut off at the Accoin years of 83 okay okay, 83. But I really do trying to do a, just for rock and roll history. Yeah. Yeah, because Gene sat in that very chair and he was like, you know, we had two factories in DeValley, you know, full-time 24 hours a day. But I mean, it's the Beatles, like they just threw their name on everything, but that's what makes it cool, you know? Yeah. Um, so for those who don't know what we're talking about, home museum, right? Uh, privately guided tours by you. Yes. You take like six people at a time, is that something I correct? Yeah, because I want to spend a couple hours with each person and talk to them, play Pimball with them, you know, really, and, and, and, aficionados come in there and they're like, oh, do you have the tourbook that was only released for these two shows? And, you know, here it is. Oh wow. And things like that. So people really enjoy it. I mean, people, it brought tears to their eyes It's just to touch the costumes from back in the day. Yeah. I'm big on objects, I guess. I have some original wrestling stuff. You know, I have like the original female belt of the world, you know what I mean? And when you just hold that piece of history and you think that the buildings that this belt was in. So when you're holding something like something of genes from 1974, it's like it's living history. So what's your, you must have a prize possession or prize possessions? I believe I have two. I have the only remaining destroyer boots. So he's those dragon boots. And they're just, they're barely hanging on and they smell and there there's mold and blood and everything. Um so those and then jeans outfit from i don't know if you saw the clip on donahue when he was on there um very early on it was like their first tv appearance i think i was watching it live in Chicago. Yeah it's so he's got that that outfit on he's worn it for hundreds of shows so have that as well. He told me he would just ride on it with the subway like because he was, you know, they had no money and interesting. This is a little bit of a side question, but I always wonder with the band like KISS, how much stuff ends up floating out into the market, especially when it was band members personal stuff. You must know some of the allegorical history, would they just give stuff to like a roadie or like they didn't think anything of it or... Such a great question because on the cover of Hotter Nell and Paul wore this belt at tons of concerts and on the cover of Hotter Nell, he's got this belt and someone reached out to me and said, oh, I have his belt and he sent me a letter of how we got it and Paul just traded it to him for a ring. So for some jewelry. Because in 1975, import here on because you know, to Paul, it was probably just some old costume piece. You and I both know about that. What do we do with it? And the guy had it for decades and then just got it to me. But I think everybody ends up selling eventually. We all went once we parrots. Yeah, but I guess what I'm saying is it always strikes me. It's one thing if it comes from the artist. Sure. Like you got stuff that I, you got stuff

that only you would have, I got stuff only I would have.

Of course, right? Like you got into with Molly Crew, it's like you got one of so many tour books, something like that. Of course. You throw in the closet, it's like there it is. Right. But when it seems to kind of like, When you say these boots, like at one point the gene turned to a cousin, you go, you

can have the boots and you know, that's not, that stuff always strikes me as certain.

It is. seems to kind of like, when you say these boots, like at one point, the gene turned to a cousin,

you go, you're gonna have the boots,

and that stuff always strikes me as certain. It is, it's interesting. It's novel. I saw one reference this, so please excuse me if I don't have it right, but did this point, you had a kiss collection, you sold it to somebody here? That's correct. So what happened was, and I'm just going to be completely honest, I was collecting and had my buddy who I would collect with. It's wonderful, wonderful guys. Name's Rubin and, you know, he was just such an incredible person. Didn't have a lot of friends, But, you know, we were like partners and we would collect together and we'd have so much fun. And he was young, got sick, got cancer, and died, and I was devastated. I was so devastated that I couldn't even look at the stuff. Then, this is so strange, Billy, this is so strange. Then a few years later, I picked it back up and got back into it. I got my new partner that I would collect with. We had such a good We do all this thing. And he was just diagnosed with stage 4 camp. Oh my goodness. And he's young. I'm like, well, what is going on? You know, so he's fighting. I talked to him twice a day, every day. So it's just, um, it's just, you know, it's, it's very strange. Yeah When Jean was here Jean Simmons of course I argued with him that I thought kiss was better than he thought and I Thought it was a novel approach to take because I've seen him be kind of almost pseudo-dismissive at times of kiss his music Sure And I thought, I bet no one's ever gone at him like this.

And I actually kind of got him back on his heels a little bit, which is hard to do,

is, you know, jeans a very tough character, very bright. And he's heard it all, he's seen it all. So, of course, it's tried to even find an angle in to talk about stuff. But I was curious about your, because it's a fan, especially as a great musician, what's

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