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Today's guest is Swedish historian Johann Norberg, author of The Capitalist Manifesto,

Why the Global Free Market Will Save the World, which got the eye of Elon Musk, who tweeted,

This book is an excellent explanation of why capitalism is not just successful,

but morally right. Norberg wrote the book to combat a growing belief on the right and left

that libertarian values of individual autonomy, property rights, limited government, and free enterprise

are failing to raise living standards and need to be

ditched in favor of more centralized power and control over virtually all aspects of our

lives. A senior fellow at the Cato Institute, Norberg shows that life is actually getting better

for all of us, especially the world's poor, and that economic globalization, political,

liberalization, and growing cultural freedom are the main drivers of that improvement.

We talk about how liberals and conservatives get the past way wrong, why he's not worried

about China supposedly unstoppable economic growth, and why the cases

for things like free trade, free expression, and more immigration need to be constantly updated

and renewed.

We also talk about why he's a libertarian and not an anarchist.

Here is the reason interview with Johan Norberg.

Johann Norberg, thanks for talking to reason.

Pleasure is all mine.

First off, let's start.

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