Hi, and welcome to Jesus Over Everything, a short practical podcast that mixes encouragement,

the Bible, how-toes, and fantastic interviews for the listener on the go. I'm Lisa Whittle,

and I welcome you to the Joe Interview Show with me, which I trust and pray will be time well spent.

What a precious and powerful interview with a precious soul today. Esther Fleece Allen, author of

your new name, is on Joe, and we talk about the importance of naming and the difference between

that and labeling and what it actually means to get a new name. Do we go to the courthouse and change it?

I asked her about all that. I love talking with this brilliant and down-to-earth woman

who knows in a deep way from her own difficult past

of abandonment and pain just how important it is

to let Jesus define us.

I believe this show is going to be a big encouragement

to the souls of many listeners

as it spoke to my heart talking with Esther myself.

Listen now as we get into it. Esther, hi. Hi. Hi, Lisa. Thank you for having me on today.

Oh my gosh. It's so fun for me. You know what, Esther, I don't know you really at all, but I like you.

Can I just say that?

I appreciate that.

You seem like a kind soul.

That's what I think of when I think of you.

And that's kind of a feat to get that across like social media, especially this day and

time. So I'm really honored to have you on Joe. I like good people. I appreciate that, Lisa.

Thank you. Yeah. And okay, so a few things about you. You are, you're pregnant right now, right?

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