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Joel Mokyr on Growth, Innovation, and Stagnation

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🗓️ 25 November 2013

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

Joel Mokyr of Northwestern University talks with EconTalk host Russ Roberts about the future of the American economy. Mokyr rejects the claims that the we are entering an area of stagnation or permanently lower economic growth. He argues that measured growth understates the impact on human welfare. Many of the most important discoveries are new products that are often poorly measured and not reflected in measures such as gross domestic product or income. The conversation closes with a discussion of the downsides of technology and why Mokyr remains optimistic about the future.

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0:00.0

Welcome to Econ Talk, part of the Library of Economics and Liberty. I'm your host Russ Roberts

0:07.8

of Stanford University's Hoover Institution. Our website is econtalk.org or you can subscribe,

0:14.4

comment on this podcast, and find links and other information related to today's conversation.

0:19.6

We'll also find our archives where you can listen to every episode we've ever done going

0:23.3

back to 2006. Our email address is mailadycontalk.org. We'd love to hear from you.

0:32.0

Today is November 13, 2013, and my guest is Joel Moqueer, the Robert H. Strowth's Professor

0:38.9

of Arts and Sciences and Professor of Economics and History at Northwestern University.

0:43.7

He's written widely on growth and technology, which is our topic for today, and our conversation

0:48.8

will be loosely based on a forthcoming article on the City Journal. He's written

0:52.6

is growth really over. Joel, welcome to Econ Talk. Hello.

0:58.0

Now, you open with a famous quote that I've heard many times attributed to Charles Holland Duel,

1:03.4

a late 19th century American patent commissioner. He allegedly said,

1:08.0

everything that could be invented has been invented. You point out that he never said that. That's

1:13.1

an apocryphal inaccurate statement. What he actually said was the opposite. Quote, in my opinion,

1:19.6

all previous advances in the various lines of invention will appear today, will appear totally

1:25.2

insignificant when compared with those which the present century will witness. I almost wish

1:30.4

that I might live my life over again to see the wonders which are at the threshold. Now,

1:35.1

why are we so eager to believe the incorrect version of that quote that everything has already

1:39.4

been invented and there's nothing left? I don't know. That's a very good question. Why we're so

1:45.3

eager to believe that. I suppose everybody looks for some kind of straw man. If you're going to say

1:51.3

that, look, here's some idiot who said America would be never discovered five years before Columbus

1:59.6

or the earth is flat and then we all have a good laugh at this. But poor man, he never said

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