Joel Braunold on Gaza and What Comes Next
The Lawfare Podcast
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🗓️ 18 December 2023
⏱️ 64 minutes
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Summary
The conflict in Gaza may be approaching a turning point. An increasingly frustrated Biden administration has reportedly told Israeli officials that the military campaign needs to wind up within weeks, while even some Israeli officials have suggested that Hamas is on the verge of defeat. But as the physical and human devastation in Gaza continues to mount, the question of what comes after the conflict ends looms just over the horizon, without anyone offering a clear answer.
To talk through the state of the conflict and what might come next, Lawfare Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson sat down with Joel Braunold, the Managing Director of the S. Daniel Abraham Center for Middle East Peace—someone who has followed the Israeli-Palestinian conflict closely for decades, and who has often played a key supporting role in related negotiations. They talked about the state of Israel’s military campaign, how it is impacting Israeli and Palestinian politics, and the challenges of reaching a new status quo that stands any chance of meeting the demands of those parties who are most directly affected.
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| 1:01.0 | T's and sees apply. And they've been very clear to the Lebanese. |
| 1:10.0 | If you don't get Hezbollah under control and you choose to enter into this fight will flatten Lebanon. |
| 1:16.0 | And they're saying that to try and deter a potential conflict. |
| 1:19.0 | But they're very clear on this. |
| 1:20.0 | We are not attacking Lebanon, but if Lebanon, if Hezbollah attacks us from Lebanon, you're all on the hook. |
| 1:27.0 | And they're using that to try and up domestic pressure on Hezbollah not to do it. |
| 1:31.0 | And especially after what happened in 06 06 in the war in the north there |
| 1:34.9 | I think they're really trying to prevent that from exploding and they're using |
| 1:39.1 | everything at the moment the skirmishes but everyone's trying to tap that down. |
| 1:43.7 | You know I think the Saudis are also trying to communicate to the Iranians on that and everyone's |
| 1:47.4 | trying to keep the North Cup trying. |
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