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That's Boomer and Gio and you can listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your pods. We are live from Giant Training Camp and joining us right now, the general manager of the New York football Giants, Joe Scheng Joe, thank you very much for coming on. How you doing?

I'm doing great.

Thanks for having me.

Did you build a playoff team?

We're just trying to get through every day, healthy, and, you know, continue to get better each day. So, you know, we'll see how it plays out. We had Jackson Dart on, and we were talking about when he knew that he was going to get drafted by you all, by us.

And he said he fell in a couple of weeks prior. When did you know that you were going to make that move? It was a bold move. Yeah, everybody talks about the timing of, you know, as we went through the process. And it was difficult this year because the way some of the pro days lined up and um you're at a little bit of

mercy of the schools you're at the mercy of the agents when when can we work them out privately

when is the pro day and um you know there was late pro days and stuff like that so we didn't have

all the information so we really couldn't you know take all the information to account

and have those meetings till um mid-april into to late april up before the draft just because the way the calendar worked out this year. But, you know, a good thing with him was he played in the Senior Bowl. So we were able to meet with him there. The coaches had an early exposure to him. You know, we're able to evaluate his film before he got there. We had some coaches that coached in the game. And then another touch point at the combine. And then, you know, you continue to go through the process at the end of the day. Right. You know, he's a guy we ended up really like that. Let me get inside the GMing process. So two drafts ago, it was all J.J. McCarthy, J.J. McCarthy. And I told these guys, that's a smart screen. It's nonsense. The Giants are putting it out there just for to throw people off their scent. It kind of felt that way this year, because you were always out in Colorado. You were always seeing Chador Sanders. How did you know that Jackson Dart was the, was he top on the list? Yeah, we go through this process. And unfortunately, we've had to do it, you know, three four, you know, whatever, and we did it. Dave's and Shay were part of the process in Buffalo with Josh Allen, so we've been through it. So it really is like you've got to go start to finish. Like you got to go all the way through it because the film may be one thing until you get these guys and you meet with them and, you know, you see what they see, what happened. You may think it was a bad read read bad interception when come to find out the guy ran the wrong route so you got to get into the weeds with these guys and the coaches so as we went through the process like he checked all the boxes and at the end of the day um you know the fact that we're able to get abdul be able to get jackson dart and still keep that 65th pick um you. We were really happy the way it worked out.

I'm going to give you an analogy. So Tiki and I do the show together. There's a day in which I'm like,

we're going to open with the Mets. And Tiki's like, no, we're not. We're going to open with the Giants. And we argue about it, and then we come to a decision. Usually Tiki gets his way. There are reports, and this is why I'm asking that you and Brian Dable disagreed on the quarterback you wanted.

Is that true?

No. And again, I know there's a narrative out there, but you're not going to trade up into the first round for any players, the general manager. If you have control of 53 and you don't like the players. So we went through the process. It was collaborative. Those decisions make you feel really good when it's an organizational decision and everybody's on board. So, you know, we got a really good offensive staff. You know, Kafka, the quarterbacks he's worked with, Dave All's history, Shea Tierney, a lot of confidence in them and a lot of confidence in our process in what we put these kids through. And, you know, Jackson stood out throughout that process. So was it close because like Tiki mentioned Chador Sanders in the interest,

he ends up dropping crazily, but was it like this is close? Jackson has the edge. We're going to draft him, but was it a tough decision? Yeah, Jackson was the guy at the end of the day. I'm not

going to get into the details or all that. We just got an extensive process and we have a lot of faith

in that process and believe in the process that we put these kids through. And it's been proven to work in the past.

So when we went through it, Jackson's a guy that, you know, we're happy that we have.

And, you know, again, I'd rather talk about the players that we have here on the team versus other guys that are on other team.

So I'm happy he's here. He's had a really good week this week.

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