You know, as soon as the sun came up at 530 or so, like, I was wide awake.

And so to say I'm awake, what can I do to ground myself to be the dad I want to be, to be the person I want to be, to be the business owner I want to be?

My strongest meditation practice started then and it came from a place of need rather than a place of I should be doing this.

Welcome to the art of accomplishment, where we explore how deepening connection and it came from a place of need rather than a place of I should be doing this.

Welcome to the art of accomplishment, where we explore how deepening connection with ourselves and others leads to creating the life we want with enjoyment and ease.

All right, everybody. Today I'm excited to speak with Joe Sanok. Joe is a business consultant and a productivity researcher. He's written five books on the topic. The most recent being Thursday is the new Friday, which is a book on the four-day work week, which is an idea that I can definitely get behind. He's also the podcaster behind Practice of the Practice, the podcast. How are you doing today, Joe?

I'm doing great, Brett. How are you? Yeah, doing well. And I'm really, really happy to have you on the show today. Yeah, yeah, this show's awesome. So can't wait to be here. Or I am here, so can't wait to talk. Yeah, well, tell me a little, tell me in the audience a little bit more about yourself. What did I miss there? I know that you've also been living in a camper van with your kids.

Tell me something more about Joe Sanok to fill us in here.

Yeah, you know, I took a really traditional path in regards to studying psychology and getting

master's degrees in psychology and counseling and worked in the nonprofit world for a long time.

And also just mental health had a private practice for a number of years. So it was in the nonprofit world for a long time and also just mental health

had a private practice for a number of years. So it was in the work of individual counseling and

growing a group practice, which I really helped and enjoyed helping angry kids for a long time.

So I think that really positioned me to know a few different techniques in regards to connection

because teenagers just often, rightfully so, have a lot of boundaries up and shields up.

So that's part of my history.

I went into business and podcasting back in 2012 to just teach therapists how to start growth,

scale, and exit their private practices.

And so I've been doing that work for a decade now.

I have two awesome daughters that are seven and ten, and they are bold and creative and push back on things.

So, you know, it's a two-sided coin, lots of fun and lots of challenges.

Beautiful.

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