Just from my personal experiences, sharing the deeper message of it's important how we read the

Word of God. We can't come to it with just our own preconceived ideas of like, okay, this man's

said this, so I'm going to view life through his lens, which is what I did for so many years.

I viewed life through this teacher's lens, not examining it by the Word of God.

So just going back to the

importance of seeing scripture as the ultimate authority and conforming my life to it.

Well, I have to tell you something, Ginger, that I hope is a compliment to you, and it's certainly meant to be a compliment.

I have a lot of pictures that come across my desk for shows and people that are known.

And I'll be honest with you, I say no to a lot of them because I'm not interested in talking to people just because

they're known. Somebody knows their name. Somebody knows. They have a lot of Instagram followers,

whatever. I don't care about that. But you're somebody that I wanted to talk to when your

information came across my desk, not because of the last name, Dugger, but because I really believe

that what you're talking about in your book is important. So welcome Ginger Dugger Volo to the show. Thank you so much for

having me. Yeah. Well, if you aren't familiar with my guest, Ginger was on a really popular show

on TLC called 19 Kids and Counting. Does that show feel like a lifetime ago, Ginger, or just yesterday,

or maybe a little bit of both? Probably a little bit of both because it was so much of my life,

so much of my child until just shortly, basically like a year and a half ago. And it's crazy.

Like all those years make it feel like it was all my life. And I just ended this,

even though that time is now that gap is broadening. But yeah, it's been so much a part of my

life that it's hard to like think of life outside of that. Yeah, I'm sure that's a life

that a lot of us don't get. We don't understand. When you were in that,

did it feel like my life is different. My life is different from other kids. It's unique. Or did it

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