Hey, I'm Lisa Whittle and welcome to the Jesus Over Everything show, affectionately known as Joe, where around here you will always hear honest conversations about life, faith, and true strength, courage, and love in the midst of our real, everyday life. This conversation today, man, it is one that

weeks after I interviewed this man, I'm still thinking about it for different reasons. Albert Tate is my

guest. He is the founding and lead pastor of Fellowship Church in California. His new book,

his first book, by the way, How We Love Matters, was one that

pushed me, it taught me, and one I personally found very helpful in thinking about what he

calls the call to practice relentless racial reconciliation. I'm telling you, buckle up,

but also, I ask you to please listen to this conversation

in its entirety. It might challenge you in some ways. It might make you uncomfortable at times,

but the gospel does that, friends. And something we talked about when we talked about offense is so

important.

I just ask you not to miss it.

This conversation with Pastor Albert Tate is one I won't soon forget.

Oh, so on Fridays on Jesus over everything, we have guests.

And I call it Lisa and friends because to me, even new guests are new friends.

And you fit in that category of a new friend because we don't know each other prior to this interview.

So this is real time getting to know each other right here.

Yes.

Yes.

I'm looking

forward to it. Me too. I have been following you for a while at Instagram. So basically

stalked your life. So that, yeah. So we're IG friends. Yeah. That's a thing. That is a thing.

And then you already feel like you know someone anyway. So you live in California, married to La Rosa,

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