Hey, I'm Lisa Whittle, and welcome to the Jesus Over Everything show, affectionately known as Joe, where around here you will always hear honest conversations about life, faith, and true strength, courage, and love in the midst of our real everyday life.

Really excited about the show today and my guest,

have you ever thought about, looked into, or participated in the practice of Lent?

If you've not, and especially if you've ever felt intimidated by it, this show with

author and podcaster Tish Oxen Rider is going to really help you. Tish is a good and gracious guide into all things

Lent. Nothing off the table to ask, nothing silly, nothing unimportant. We talk about Lent misconceptions,

how to know what to even give up, how to introduce it to our families, and the great what-ifs

if they don't love the idea like we want them to when they're in grade school

and not crazy about giving up something. That's real. We even tell you when Lent actually is for those

who don't know. Truly, this is your All Things Lent guide. Such a joy to learn from the

incredible Tish Oxen Rider right now on Joe.

So super important show today and also I'm excited to welcome, here's how I'm going to frame this. I'm going to say a longtime acquaintance friend on here because here's how I'm gonna frame this I'm gonna say a long time acquaintance friend on here

because that's how I kind of see us I we and I've never really like had dinner so I can't

I can't say we're like friend friend friends that we know each other really well but I also

feel like you are a friend in the sense I feel warmly towards you. And,

but you're like an acquaintance, Tish. Do you, do you know where we even met? Because I honestly

cannot remember. I was trying to recall that. I was thinking it was back in the blogging days,

perhaps. Okay. It was either a blogging conference. Okay, that's one of those.

Probably true. Yeah, okay.

Or Michael N's house. One of those two.

It could be that. Yeah, I was going to bring up the fact that you and I are both extremely close to Michael in who people might know is the Nestor.

But you and I are both in real life friends with Michael in. So I feel

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