Yay, you're here. I'm Lisa Whittle and welcome to the Jesus Over Everything interview show

where everyone I sit down and talk with is either an old or a new friend of mine.

I'm excited to introduce you to one of the nicest people I've personally met in a while,

Rishon Copeland, evangelist and author of new books, start where you are.

Rishan and I had a really neat conversation where we talk about things like the importance

of Bible apps, social media, and why conviction is so much better than simply being cool.

And speaking of Bible apps, if you haven't downloaded the Dwell Audio Bible app,

go and do that now with our 20% off for the rest of this month for Joe listeners by going to the show notes or Lisa Whittle.com forward slash dwell. Such a powerful resource for you to help you listen to the Bible much more consistently. It sure has helped me. If there's one thing I think you'll walk away from this show today with, it is a smile on your face because Rishan's joy is contagious. We can use a little of that right now,

right? Yeah, we can. I'm grateful he came by Joe to share his testimony of faith with us today. So this is one of those times that I get to know someone at the same time the listeners do, which is kind of fun.

You and I really don't know each other, which makes you a new friend.

But I have to tell you, Rashon, I got this sense about you immediately when you kind of came on,

we greeted each other right before we kind of, we went on air and I thought, I like a spirit.

I can sense a spirit about you that is kind and sweet. And I like that.

And so I get this feeling about you. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but tell me, I get a feeling that

you are everyone's friend. Am I right about this? Yes. That's one of my favorite things is the

opportunity that we have to extend friendship

to people we may not even agree with and also people we love much, much.

And I just think it's an amazing thing.

No, I felt I just, I got a sense about you and I thought this, this guy's kind.

Even when I see your picture, I think he looks kind, but, you know, pictures can be just

pictures. So it was a pleasant surprise when you came on and you were exactly what I thought

you would be. So here's a thing. You reached out to me on social media. I don't know if you

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