Yay, you're here. I'm Lisa Whittle, and welcome to the Jesus Over Everything interview show, affectionately known as Joe's Friday Friend, where everyone I sit down and talk with is either an old or a new friend of mine.

Really incredible show for you today. Dr. Russell Moore, president of the ERLC, which by the way,

is the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, is on today talking about many things, some of which

I am still thinking about days after I interviewed him. It's true. Our conversation is so compelling to me

about cancel culture and church cover-ups and if social

media is the venue to speak up or if it's just shouting out into a room, plus so much more that

his new book, The Courage to Stand, inspired. I'm telling you, if you want to know if you should

speak up about something or not, this interview will help you. It is one I

will be thinking about for a very long time. Here we go. So some interviews make me sit up a little

taller in my chair. This is one of them. I don't know if this is going to ruin our

relationship right off the bat, but I feel like with you having served as a very important

person at a seminary, I have to confess this. I'm a seminary dropout. Can we go on with this

interview? Yes or no? I think that there are a lot of seminary dropouts who are doing extraordinary things.

Okay. Well, the confession is now out and I feel better. I don't know. I'm glad we can go on because I'm excited about this one. I have ideas about interviews before I go into them. And sometimes I'm right. Sometimes I'm wrong.

But when I thought about this interview, I thought about the words spurred on. Is that a fair

assessment of sort of the role you tend to play in a lot of situations, do you think? Are you that

guy who spurs people on? Well, I think in some instances I try to be to sort of try to go out a little bit, a little bit of head of people and say, here's what the terrain looks like.

And sometimes what that means is giving a little bit of a warning to say things are

worse than you think they are. And sometimes that means a reassurance. Things aren't really as

bad as you think they are. So I sometimes say that my life is kind of like that old grateful dead lyric in Touch of Gray. It's even worse than it

appears, but it's all right. I think that pretty much sums up what I do. I love that. I was going to say

you're the calibration guy, but I don't know. I think you said it better with the song lyric there.

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