Hi, and welcome to Jesus Over Everything, a short practical podcast that mixes encouragement, the Bible, how-toes, and fantastic interviews for the listener on the go.

I'm Lisa Whittle, and I welcome you to the Joe interview show with me, which I trust and pray will be time well spent.

So listen, today's interview is a lot of a lot.

A lot of fun for me personally, a lot of fun for fans of the show, Survivor.

Don't worry if you don't watch. Just bear with the first five minutes. And a lot of fun simply because of the

guest that is on Joe, Knox McCoy, beloved team member of the pop cast, Bible binge podcast,

Empire. And he's so funny and clever. It was all joy to talk with him. The thing is about

Knox, I suspected we would also have an incredibly important conversation surrounding his new

book, All Things Reconsidered. And I was also right about that. We get into things that will matter to

you like social media. I asked him outright, should we reconsider the way we do

that? And also much more importantly, even our faith. And I wanted to know if he's asking us to

deconstruct our faith. And what about the non-negotiables? Knox gives one of the best

illustrations I've heard in a long time. The show is truly packed. So let's get started with my buddy,

Knox McCoy.

So Knox, first things first, and this will matter to some listeners hugely and others not at all,

but I have to do it. We have to talk about Survivor.

Oh my gosh. Like I just finished recording a 55 minute recap episode,

a solo recap episode by myself. And I'm like, I think I could have gone two more hours.

It's ridiculous. Listen, everything about this to me right now matters. And I, I, normally I don't

like to leave any of my listeners out. But right now, I have to just say, I don't care. Because I, yeah. If you're not watching Survivor, we don't like to leave any of my listeners out, but right now I have to just say I don't care.

Because I am so-

If you're not watching Survivor, we don't care about you.

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