Hi, and welcome to Jesus Over Everything, a short practical podcast that mixes encouragement,

the Bible, how-toes, and fantastic interviews for the listener on the go. I'm Lisa Whittle,

and I welcome you to the Joe interview show with me, which I trust and pray will be time well spent.

There are some interviews that have me thinking about them days after, and this interview was one of those.

I shouldn't have

been surprised since Karen Swallow Pryor is a thought leader who goes far beyond sheer intellect. The woman

is obviously smart, a PhD professor in English, who describes herself as a reader, writer, and a

professor in that order, which I kind of love. She gives lectures, has had her scholarly work appear in many

places, but get this. Her Twitter handle is Notorious KSP, and the woman is an advocate who has

plenty of online trolls because she's been known to take on a few controversial things a time

or two. I have such respect for this woman. We talk women in the church, how to disagree with folks reasonably, which Karen does so well,

and her experience with getting hit by a bus.

Yes, you heard me right.

And yes, we talk about her unique new books because if you've ever wanted to read the classics but need some help, Karen is your go-to.

I'm super glad to have you on the show today, Karen.

I feel smarter already just talking to you today.

Oh, well, that's kind of you.

Let's hope it stays that way.

Well, no, I do. Okay, so this is the way I see. Astute writer, author, lecturer, professor, PhD. I mean, you are all those things. So what is something

very normal about you that will put us all listening to ease? Like maybe a weird habit, a bad habit,

maybe it would even be better.

What can you tell me that will make us all feel like Karen is on our level?

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