Hi, and welcome to Jesus Over Everything, a five-day-a-week variety show that mixes encouragement, the Bible, practical how-toes, and fantastic guests for the listener on the go.

I'm Lisa Whittle, and I welcome you to just five minutes with me, which I trust and pray will be five minutes well spent.

Emily P. Freeman is back today, and I'm thrilled to have her. A lot of you know her from her podcast, The Next

Right Thing, and you've been anxiously anticipating her new book by the same name.

We get into that and how the world is truly craving simplicity and direction, how the things

we're good at are often the things that are also our biggest areas of struggle, where

Twizzlers fall on the scale for Emily, and most importantly,

who would win in an arm wrestling match between she and her sister, Michaelin, also known as

the Nestor. Lots of goodness in this interview for you today, so listen in.

So this is a friend podcast today, what I'm calling a friend podcast because you're my friend, Emily P. Freeman.

Yay, I'm so glad I'm your friend.

Well, you know this. I mean, we've been friends for a while. I'm really glad you're coming on.

And so we both share this undying love

for a favorite person, Michael Lynn Smith, the Nestor, your sister, and one of my really good in real life

friends, like go over and have coffee. So one thing I love about both of you, besides the fact that

you're both super smart, is that you are

sort of what I call a creative practical. And your new book, The Next Right Thing, appeals to me

because I think it's a creative practical book in that you give us some really creative things to do that maybe we haven't thought of to

do before.

Like you give us language for some things to help our life work better.

But you help us do them in a really practical way.

Is that a fair assessment of the next right thing, a creative look at things maybe in a way we haven't

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