Hi, and welcome to Jesus Over Everything, a five-day-a-week variety show that mixes encouragement, the Bible, practical how-toes, and fantastic guests for the listener on the go.

I'm Lisa Whittle, and I welcome you to just five minutes with me, which I trust and pray will be five minutes well spent.

If you enjoyed yesterday's guest-hosted show with Drew Dick, you'll love today's interview

with him even more.

He's truly one of my favorite writers right now, so clever, and since he opened up a can of

worms by titling one of his chapters in his new book, Grace means I don't need self-control

and other dumb things Christians think.

You better believe I asked him about it.

I think you'll love our

conversation. So let's get into it. And thanks, Drew, for coming on.

All right, Drew, first and foremost, you're funny man. You really are.

You will tell you that all the time.

Well, I'm probably funnier on like Twitter and social media than I am in real life.

So now I'm feeling the pressure.

I'll try.

I'll try to be funny.

Okay, well, let me tell you this.

I feel the pressure to make this interview interesting because you mentioned Twitter,

but this is really the truth.

What I like about you is you're clever.

And I literally avoid Twitter like the plague most days.

I mean, it is the plague, right?

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