Hi, and welcome to Jesus Over Everything, a five-day-a-week variety show that mixes encouragement, the Bible, practical how-toes, and fantastic guests for the listener on the go.

I'm Lisa Whittle, and I welcome you to just five minutes with me, which I trust and pray will be five minutes well spent.

If you were here yesterday, you heard an amazing guest-hosted show by Proverbs 31 President and New York Times best-selling author Lisa Turkhurst.

If not, go back and listen to that real quick.

Just about five minutes and well worth it.

Today is a fun interview I did with her from my hotel room in San Diego, California, of all things.

I wanted to talk to her for much longer, trust me.

But listen as we dive into her new book, it's not supposed to be this way.

The first thing she does when she gets home from a trip, I talk to her about that.

And I relate to what she says, by the way, and the last thing she would say about

amongst a lot of other things we talk about.

We really pack it all in.

Well, this is fun for me because you and I go way back, Lisa, right?

That's right. We've been friends for a very long time. We won't tell people how long because that might be

embarrassing. It might reveal too much of our age. I know.

I was wanting to say, do we even want to say how far back?

Because I can remember at least one incident of babies in a high chair at a restaurant.

That's all I'm saying.

So you've been a friend for many years.

We have shared some meals and some conversations.

And we actually live in the same town,

but kind of on opposite side. So it's hard to see each other, but you're someone that I have

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