Hi, and welcome to Jesus Over Everything, a five-day-a-week variety show that mixes encouragement,

the Bible, practical how-toes, and fantastic guests for the listener on the go.

I'm Lisa Whittle, and I welcome you to just five minutes with me, which I trust and pray will be five minutes well spent.

I hope you're ready for some truth-packed, high-energy five minutes, because

today's guest host knows no other way to bring it. Michelle Myers is a recent internet friend for me,

but she and I have decided since we both live in the same state, we are changing that to in-person

friendship this year. Michelle is the author of the Heaven and Home Book, founder of a crazy, popular,

largely online community.

She works his way, where you get solid biblical business training and support,

resources, and beautiful opportunities for greater commitment to God, family, and work in that order.

I love what she does there in her own home with her husband and kids

and how she really takes life

and runs with it.

Please welcome the ever-encouraging Michelle Myers to the show.

The title of this podcast is probably my favorite podcast title that I've ever heard. I don't think

that another one will ever come on that I love more. So one of my heartbeat messages that I share

with Lisa is just this understanding of surrender because really honestly, that's what this

podcast is all about, is choosing that life of surrender. And while we would all look at the theology and the Bible verses and all of those things

and say, yes, that's how I want to live so often, it is just easier to look at what other

people are doing, to look at the activities, to let the pressure of the world creep in

rather than pursuing the peace of God

and we start to strive and I don't say this to you out of a place of perfection but I come to

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