Hi, and welcome to Jesus Over Everything, a short practical podcast that mixes encouragement,

the Bible, how-toes, and fantastic interviews for the listener on the go.

I'm Lisa Whittle, and I welcome you to the Joe interview show with me, which I trust and pray

will be time well spent.

If you miss last Tuesday's Season 3 preview show, I hope you'll go back and listen to that.

Every Tuesday this

month, we are re-airing the best of the best interview shows on Joe. And this is an extra special

re-air interview show for me today because it is with my longtime friend, New York Times best-selling

author and Proverbs 31 president, Lisa Terkhurst. Lisa was one of my very first interviews on Joe, and I have to admit to you that I didn't

really know what I was doing.

I actually didn't know what I was doing at all, and you can probably tell in my interview.

I have learned this year that we really do get better the longer we do something, and I

certainly hope that's been true of my interviewing skills.

There's no book on it, really, at least that I've found or that I read.

But this interview with Lisa meant so much to so many folks.

We are re-airing it today as Lisa talks about the disappointments in life.

And man, do we have some fun and laughs as we talk about everything, including Kim Kardashian?

Here we go.

Music including Kim Kardashian. Here we go. Well, this is fun for me because you and I go way back, Lisa, right?

That's right. We've been friends for a very long time. We won't tell people how long because

that might be embarrassing. It might reveal too much of our age.

I know. I was, I was wanting to say, do we even want to say how far back? Because I can remember

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