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This is Monica Perez here with our returning guest and a fan favorite, Marcel Gattrow, talking about Joe McCarthy.

I think they're not just two sides of the story.

I think there's like three or four.

So I'll do my best to interject, but you, I think it's one of your reading rainbow books.

It's a supplemental and right. I couldn't find your actual discussion of it. It's blacklisted by history.

The untold story of Senator Joe McCarthy and his fight against America's enemies by Stanton Evans.

I'm Stanton Evans, yeah.

I already have, like, I already have questions about this guy. So you start. How are you? Hi.

I'm doing great. How are you?

Great, thank you. I had kind of a hectic day,

but this is like how I unwind, so I'm happy to be here. And so my parents were, like, they're

almost like grandparents, like they were a generation above me. I have sisters and brothers

18 and 17 years older than I am, like hippies, but they were my siblings. And then my father fought in World War

two. So my parents were super, you know, red scare, cold warrior people and loved William F. Buckley

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