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This is Design Matters with Debbie Millman from Design Observer.com.

For 11 years now, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative types

about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about.

This episode of Design Matters is part of a series featuring

new voices in design and Debbie Milman talks with Joe Hollier about an invention of

his that's designed to bring back boredom in the era of the smartphone.

Those little moments of boredom that would naturally happen throughout my day,

going underground or going on an airplane.

You know, that was when you had ideas happen. Here's Debbie Millman.

Joe Hollier is A a filmmaker and animator B a C, a collage artist, or D, one of the inventors of the light phone.

The answer is, E, for everything, all of of the above and a lot more and the irksome thing is he's well under 30

How does this happen? Well that's what we're going to find out.

Joe Hollier joins me to talk about his various projects and endeavors.

Joe, welcome to Design Matters.

Hi Debbie, thank you. Oh my pleasure.

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