Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop, I'm your

host, Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on

their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran,

name-checking T.S. Eliot in your folk dirge,

or else a scrappy upstart,

name-checking an Instagram poet during your DJ set,

this is your show,

because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most an ironclad excuse to put off

actually writing.

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