Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran who still thinks they need to get their album reviewed by the quote-unquote blogosphere or else a scrappy upstart who literally does not understand the concept of an album review this is your show because ultimately it is what every writer seeks, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey, everybody, it's the first Friday of August 2022, and I thank you for joining us.

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