Long before Ross Perra ran for President in 92, people forget what an impressive effort that was,

a reform-minded successful businessman, no nonsense nonsense let's stop talking about the silly stuff and

solve the problems the way you would do with the business.

I had a great deal of respect for Ross Perot.

When Mark White was elected governor in 82,

I remember Ross Perrault was his dollar a year guy who came in and just brought common sense solutions to educational problems.

And I think that most of those... to educational reforms.

and I think that most of those educational reforms, not all, but most of those were good.

Higher standards, real consequences, but the important part there was the same Ross Perot that attempted to rescue the

hostages out of Iran was bringing business principles and traditional American values.

You know, you meet these guys. They're self-made, hardworking, no nonsense, solve the problem, whatever you look like, put the best person in the job, and we need more of that.

So a fellow named Joe Penland, I first met at Chris's funeral and he drove over to Orange,

we shook hands, we talked for a minute. And later I was asked to partner up with him

on KLVi out of Beaumont on a project

that he created, call a contract from the American people.

And the idea was, these candidates are all saying exactly what you want to hear,

but there's no real commitment to do the things that matter, to focus on the issues that matter and not the identity politics.

And then he popped up again, at least on my screen, our campaign in Beaumont is ongoing, he popped up again at the Tucker Carlson

event where he's one of the sponsors and I thought, you know, I'm constantly telling people

to stop hiding from public life if you are a successful businessman and start

being a person of influence and you'll be surprised what a difference you can make.

And I asked him to spend a few minutes with us.

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