Joe and Jada - Pete Rock on CL Smooth split, Nas & 'Illmatic,' 50 Cent & G.O.A.T. hip hop producers
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4.3 • 10K Ratings
🗓️ 16 January 2026
⏱️ 86 minutes
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Summary
Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by hip hop producer legend of legends Pete Rock. The iconic beat maker tells Joe and Jada about his falling out with former group mate CL Smooth, their legendary "They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.)" song, the story behind producing "The World Is Yours" for Nas on his incomparable 1994 debut 'Illmatic,' the Dr. Dre and DJ Premier beats he wishes he had made, his top five producers that rap, the call he got that led to him producing "Down With The King" for Run-DMC, and how he heard 50 Cent's "How To Rob" before the rest of the world did. They also debate whether Ice-T or KRS-One can claim to be the first gangsta rapper, if Nas' "Ether" diss for Jay-Z is the hottest beef record of all time, and what the pioneers need to do to help protect the culture.
5:00 - Heavy D's influence
8:00 - Split with CL Smooth
13:30 - "They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.)"
20:00 - Run-DMC
23:00 - Producing "The World Is Yours" for Nas
32:30 - Why MC Shan was dissing him
39:30 - Jada fans out over "Don't Curse"
47:00 - Top 5 producers that rap
49:30 - Knicks & Giannis talk
1:00:00 - Fat Joe & his neighborhood Hermes bum
1:10:00 - Styles P's "Gangster, Gangster" feat. Jada & Sheek Louch
1:15:30 - Beats Pete Rock wishes he made
1:18:30 - Hottest beef records & first gangsta rapper
1:28:00 - Hip hop pioneers need to step up
1:31:30 - Favorite instruments to sample
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| 0:00.0 | How many people would love to hear like a Pete Rock produced locks album? |
| 0:04.2 | Ooh. |
| 0:08.5 | All I need is one piece to beat. |
| 0:10.1 | You gotta do is pull up. |
| 0:27.1 | Whatever. What up, y'all? This is Joe Crack to Dawn. |
| 0:31.5 | Your boy Janna, man. The Joe and Janna show things are changing in life. |
| 0:37.5 | Every show legendary, every show iconic. You know what I mean? Shout out the 1800 to kill her. |
| 0:38.5 | 1800. |
| 0:41.3 | You know, we do a different over here. |
| 0:44.5 | When you think of today's guests, you think of hip-hop. |
| 0:45.6 | You ain't never lie? |
| 0:47.9 | Capital letters iced out. Hip-ha-ha-ha. |
| 0:49.0 | You think of from the basement. |
| 0:51.0 | Some of the craziest records to ever land on your ear drums came out of his basement. Some of the craziest records that ever land on your |
| 0:54.7 | air drums came out of his basement. |
| 0:57.9 | Oh, you think a rest in peace, heavy deed. |
| 1:00.9 | Mm. |
| 1:01.9 | You know what I mean? |
| 1:02.5 | You think of Mount Vernon, money earning on the map. |
| 1:05.4 | Because you think of, |
| 1:07.7 | you just think of great production. |
| 1:09.4 | I think of a timeless legacy, uh, one of the first |
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