The only thing I can control is me.

Instead of worrying about who else is causing you problems,

worry about what you can do to yourself to improve your station,

and if you go down that path, you're going to find you have a lot more control than you think you do.

So here we are on the Sunday special with Jock Willink, who's the host of the Jocko podcast, and the author of this fine book, The Dicotomy of Leadership, which is soon to be on the New York Times bestseller list, I'm sure, we'll get to everything involving leadership and the military and all that kind of good stuff. But first, let's talk about your job recruitment. So there are job sites that send you tons of the wrong resumes to sort through. And that is not smart. But you know what is smart? Going to ziprecruiter.com slash ben guests to hire the right person. ZipRecruiter doesn't depend on candidates finding you. It finds them for you. They have powerful matching technology, scanning thousands of resumes, identifying people with the right skills, education and experience for your job,

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your leadership guru in the area of business and in the area of just general leadership.

And all that started with... You are a leadership guru, your leadership guru in the area of business and in the area of just general

leadership. And all that started with your military background. So can you kind of get me the story

from how you went from a kid to a guy who's speaking for large sums of money before leadership groups?

Well, first of all, guru is a strong word. So let's put that one in check

right out of the gate. Yeah, I was raised in a small New England town, grew up on a dirt road.

Both my parents were school teachers, and I was a pretty rebellious young kid. And one of the

rebellious things that caught my eye pretty early on was joining the military because where I was from not too many people joined the military and

Then when you're going to go and join the military because you want to rebel you might as well just go and do

Something even more extreme than just joining the military and I figured out what the SEAL teams were when I was a young kid and I like I said I always wanted to be some kind of commandando. And so when I got out of high school, I enlisted in the Navy.

I ended up at SEAL Team 1, went through the SEAL team training and then

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