Warriors.

Mythological beans who sacrifice themselves for the greater good.

Superman. sacrifice themselves for the greater good.

Superman.

Protecting us from evil, who stares steely-eyed into the face of death.

I always wondered, how would I stack up?

Would I run into the gunfire? Would I sacrifice my life to defend my country?

Would I sacrifice my life to defend my country?

How could these people be real?

Yet they were, or did. How could these people be real?

Yet they were ordinary men

who performed at the highest levels in the most brutal environment known to man.

War.

How did they do it? These men can never tell their stories.

But once I met a man that could.

And I'll never forget the look in his eyes.

This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Jocko Willink who is a retired Navy Seal officer and author of the number one New York Times and number one Wall Street Journal bestselling book, Extreme Ownership.

Jocco, welcome to Under Real.

Thanks for having me on.

You once said that when a nation goes to war, they have to be prepared for two big things.

And one is they have to kill and then prepared to die.

Where the will to kill comes in is that we forget that war is an imperfect effort

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