Hello and welcome to Subcutaneous, our new podcast that replaced Under the Skin, where I have a deep conversation every week for free, for the majority of it, for you, wherever you listen to your podcasts.

We'll be talking to people like Eckart Toll, Jordan Peterson, Brené Brown, Tony Robbins, and today, Jocco Willink, who of course is a former Navy SEAL and leadership consultant.

We have an amazing conversation about the Nord Stream pipeline and whether it was sabotage, the nature of leadership, the nature of nutrition, manufacturing, patriotism, service, how you feel as a service person, if the agenda to which you've devoted your life

may be from a certain moral perspective questionable.

So what I consider it would be a pretty fascinating conversation.

If you sign up to stay free AF, you can join us live for these conversations that take

place every week and pass on questions as Suzanne did,

asking a jocko Willink about his morning routine and the way that he speaks to himself.

Also, I do weekly guided meditations in response to your requests and inquiries and breathwork

with people like Biet Simkin, who's a breath expert, and tapping with Nick Orner,

who uses a fantastic technique called tapping,

which uses meridians in a way comparable to acupuncture

to disrupt deep-held patterns.

We do a Q&A after our live stream show on Rumble.

Stay free with Russell Brand, where you can ask us questions.

In this conversation with Jocco, we talk a lot.

We talk about American military policy, the nature of leadership, of expertise, and whether or not it was possible for the United States to blow up that pipeline.

I hope you enjoy this conversation.

Now, I know you're no longer a Navy SEAL.

I recognize that, and that you're, so you're no longer active.

And I know that you're not continually doing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

But when you said yourself that you don't, that you don't meditate, so it's not based on a caricature,

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