My next guest is a decorated retired Navy SEAL Officer, a

podcaster, and the author of several best selling books.

Today, we are going to talk about personal accountability,

raising voice to be met, and how to move forward.

In 2021, please help me welcome my friend,

Jocco Willink.

All right, Jocco.

So the last time we had a conversation, it sort of turned into a

therapy session for me because I was

a member I was freaking out about just the state of manhood and

masculinity and you were like, calm down, Candace.

It's going to be okay. There are still men and society is going to be

great and I felt calm. And let's re-up that discussion.

Do you think I'm right now that they canceled Dr. Seuss?

Mr. Potato Head, gone. Do you think that now you're starting to see where the

like trauma was coming from?

I see what's making you nervous. I see what's making you nervous.

But people have reactions to things and then they get more reactions and they

get more excited about whatever they did because it got reactions so they

do more of it and eventually they do so much of it that people are like,

hey, slow your roll a little bit and things will swing back.

In my hopeful opinion.

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