Jocko Willink: How to Become Resilient, Forge Your Identity & Lead Others

Huberman Lab

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Science, Health & Fitness, Life Sciences

4.8 • 26.2K Ratings

🗓️ 26 December 2022

⏱️ 244 minutes

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My guest is Jocko Willink, a retired Navy SEAL officer and author of multiple books on effective leadership and teamwork, self-discipline and mindset, and host of the Jocko Podcast. We discuss how people can build and sculpt their identity and psychology through specific mindsets and actions and how to adapt the self to novel and challenging situations, using specific daily routines. We consider how “energy” actually stems from physical action and describe practical tools and scientific mechanisms for leveraging exercise, cold exposure, nutrition, fasting, hydration, sunlight, mindset and music to make us feel more energized and what that, in turn, does for our life. Jocko explains how discipline and specific daily routines allow for productivity and creativity. And we discuss the qualities of successful leaders, including how to build confidence and real bonds when working with a team or family/friends. Jocko describes a particularly powerful tool of using perspective shifts to allow for ‘detachment’ as a unique way to identify novel solutions to problems. We also discuss the power of early developmental narratives and how experiences of friendship, love, connection and loss can serve as pillars for making us better human beings in all aspects of life. Our conversation covers a wide range of topics, including mental health, physical health and performance, and provides actionable tools that anyone, regardless of age or profession, can apply to live a more effective and meaningful life. For the full show notes, visit hubermanlab.com. Thank you to our sponsors AG1 (Athletic Greens): https://athleticgreens.com/huberman Maui Nui: https://mauinuivenison.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman LMNT: https://drinklmnt.com/huberman InsideTracker: https://www.insidetracker.com/huberman Supplements from Momentous https://www.livemomentous.com/huberman Huberman Lab Premium https://hubermanlab.com/premium Timestamps (00:00:00) Jocko Willink (00:03:50) Maui Nui Venison, Eight Sleep, LMNT, Momentous (00:08:42) Sense of Self, Discovery & Autonomy (00:19:11) Mindsets in the Military: Garrison vs. Combat (00:25:02) Military Divisions (00:29:34) Daily Workouts & Discipline (00:35:39) AG1 (Athletic Greens) (00:36:53) Energy & Movement, Cortisol, Nutrition (00:52:10) Exercise & Energy, Deliberate Cold Exposure (00:59:05) Win vs. Loss Mindset, Leadership, Action & Energy (01:12:07) InsideTracker (01:13:11) Confidence, Generators vs. Projectors, Family (01:24:01) Restoring Motivation: Social Connection & Play (01:32:44) Self-Identity & Context, Alcohol, Music, Dopamine (01:45:10) Motivation Sources & Recovering from Loss (01:54:05) Suicide, Navy SEALs, Social Contagion (02:09:00) Suicide, Alcohol, Positive Action (02:15:03) Meditation, Detachment (02:20:30) Adaptability & Opportunities, Navy SEALs (02:30:43) Ambition & Love, Likeability, Leadership (02:40:18) Building Teams, Detachment, Family (02:50:20) Detachment: Problems & Perspective (02:55:55) Tools: Strategies to Detach from Situation (03:08:31) Tool: Situational Awareness & Detachment (03:17:49) Social Media, Personal Flaws (03:23:01) Falling Asleep & Detachment (03:27:02) Resilience Calibration, Navy SEAL Training & Combat (03:39:16) Deliberate Discomfort & Mental Resilience (03:42:21) People & Animals, Personalities (03:51:25) Political Leadership & Military, Social Media (04:01:38) Zero-Cost Support, YouTube Feedback, Spotify & Apple Reviews, Sponsors, Momentous, Neural Network Newsletter, Social Media Disclaimer Title Card Photo Credit: Mike Blabac

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Huberman Lab podcast where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life.
0:08.6	I'm Andrew Huberman and I'm a professor of neurobiology and
0:12.4	Ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine. Today my guest is Jaco Willink.
0:17.0	Jaco Willink is a retired Navy SEAL, an author of numerous important books on leadership and team dynamics and
0:23.4	the host of the Jaco podcast. During his 20-year career with the US Navy, Jaco served with SEAL team 3 as commander of task unit
0:32.0	bruiser in Ramadi, Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East as well as deployments in Asia and Europe.
0:38.2	After retiring from the Navy, Jaco used his experience and knowledge gleaned from his time in the SEAL teams.
0:44.4	As a way to develop tools that anybody can use to develop their leadership skills both for leading themselves and for leading others.
0:52.2	That took the form of several important books, the first of which was published in 2015 and is entitled Extreme Ownership, how US Navy SEALs lead and win.
1:01.6	He has also authored several books for kids about leadership, personal development and how to navigate various aspects of life.
1:09.4	I've read both Extreme Ownership and the way of the Warrior Kid and I found them to be immensely useful in terms of actionable information and
1:17.3	understanding of oneself and different kinds of relationships both in and out of the workplace.
1:23.0	Typically guests on the Hubertman Lab podcast are scientists and or clinicians.
1:27.9	It was some time ago that I was a guest on the Jaco podcast and during the course of our conversation on his podcast,
1:33.9	we quickly realized that many of the science-based tools that my laboratory has focused on and that I've used over the years and shared on the Hubertman Lab podcast
1:42.4	had direct overlap and parallel with many of the tools that Jaco and other members of the SEAL teams had arrived that independently
1:50.3	that is without knowledge of the underlying science.
1:52.8	And in fact, he had many more tools that he had incorporated during his years in the SEAL teams as well as in business leadership, in family and elsewhere in life
2:01.4	that I quickly realized it would be an enormously valuable conversation to have him on this podcast in order to share those tools with the general public.
2:09.6	During today's episode, we discussed numerous tools that Jaco has taught and used over the years in a number of different contexts,
2:16.2	including tools for generating more physical energy and for generating more focus and cognitive energy.
2:22.3	And for navigating sticking points, that is how to deal with lack of motivation, how to deal with difficult relationships in the workplace and elsewhere
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