This is the Jockel Underground podcast with Echo Charles and myself, Jockel Willink.

There are things in life. There are opportunities in life to walk away from things

and say, I'm not doing this anymore. I kind of mentioned to you this to you the other day,

I call it flipping over the chess board. And the reason I call it this is because if you and I are

playing chess and you start beating me in chess. Let's say you beat me once, you beat me twice,

you beat me three times and the fourth game, I just just go, I flip over the chess board and I go,

this is stupid. And I just walk away and I'm like, chess is dumb, it's a waste, it's a

blot, so that's that, right? Which I can definitely do, right? I can absolutely justify it,

the easiest say it. And that's one example. And that's a limited example, right? And actually,

you could kind of say that. You can kind of say, well, you know, chess, it's a finite game.

It doesn't really apply to what you're doing. It doesn't apply to other parts of your life.

Sure, there's some metaphor. You can say that. You can legitimately say that.

But you can actually say this about anything and that's where you got to be careful.

And by the way, I like chess, chess is cool, it's fine. But think about big picture things.

Like when you're growing up, school, this is stupid, school is stupid.

You look, I might have got close to saying that kind of thing, you know, a little bit,

you know, because I knew I was going to go in the military and I don't need to be doing this,

but there was some friends of mine that were legitimate. Like, this is stupid, school is stupid.

It's dumb. So it's a way of taking a challenge and just throwing it in the garbage can.

And therefore, it's not a challenge anymore. Politics at work, you know, like, oh, there's

these politics going on at work. Oh, stupid. I'm not playing those games. Okay.

You don't have to play those games. You don't have to. And it's actually easier just to say,

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