This is the Jockel Underground Podcast with Echo Troubles sitting across from me at the table of woe here.

So, little something called Hofstetter's Law, which is a law to theory created by Douglas Hofstetter,

who is a Pulitzer Prize nonfiction winning author. He's a scholar of physics and cognitive science.

He made this law, and what I kind of liked about this law is a little bit of a joke, in a way.

He even named it after himself, which is kind of funny. If you find something or discover something to other people,

you know, designated, but when you're just like, hey, this is my law.

And basically, the law is that things take a lot longer than you think they're going to.

And so, the way he describes it is it always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstetter's Law.

That's the law itself. So, even when you know it's going to take longer, which is Hofstetter's Law,

it's still going to take you longer than that. So, things are going to take longer than we expect them to take.

And we have to plan for that. And he originally used this, I believe, around explaining why it was taking chess computers so long to beat humans.

They kept saying, oh, humans are going to be beat by computers and chess in a year. And then it was like, well, not quite a year, of five years.

And it ended up taking a couple decades before computers could legitimately beat humans and chess.

So, there was some, there was a little bit of a reference to computer programming, which got me into reading about another rule,

which is called the 90-90 rule, which comes directly from computer programming. And it says, I think you'll appreciate this one.

The first 90% of code accounts for the first 90% of development time. The remaining 10% of code accounts for the other 90% of development time.

So, 90 plus 90 is 180. So, I'm going to take you 180% of time to get the thing done.

And what's, what I found interesting about that is, and I thought that you would appreciate this as well.

This means that big progress is made kind of early, but it takes a lot of effort to continue to improve.

So, when we think about lifting, right, you get someone in the lifting out of the gate, they're making the gains.

It's called newbie gains.

And, but those final touches, I mean to go from like a bench press of 135 to 250, people can make up that pretty quick,

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