This is the Jocco Underground Podcast.

Number 27, sitting here with Echo Charles.

Sometimes known as Echo Charlie.

Sure, I know you.

So the last one of these that we did,

we were talking about this psychological study

called the Monster Study, which is really messed up

and also kind of shows the kind of influence

you can have over another human being,

especially a young, malleable human being.

But then we were talking to Hicks and Gracie,

the other day on the Jocco Podcast.

And he was talking about how he overcame claustrophobia

and went into the Hicks and the Hido.

And I know I kind of wanted to say something

during the podcast, but it would sidetracked the podcast.

Let's face it, we could add a 45 minute,

maybe one hour discussion about your experience

of claustrophobia.

Yeah.

So I figured I made a little note next time we get on here,

we could talk about your experiences of claustrophobia,

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