Joanna Moncrieff - Challenging the New Hype About Antidepressants
Mad in America: Rethinking Mental Health
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🗓️ 3 March 2018
⏱️ 18 minutes
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Summary
This week, we interview Dr Joanna Moncrieff. Dr Moncrieff is a psychiatrist, academic and author. She has an interest in the history, philosophy and politics of psychiatry, and particularly in the use, misuse and misrepresentation of psychiatric drugs. As an author, Dr Moncrieff has written extensively on psychiatric drugs and her books include The Myth of the Chemical Cure, A Straight Talking Introduction to Psychiatric Drugs and The Bitterest Pills: the troubling story of antipsychotic drugs.
She is one of the founding members of the Critical Psychiatry Network which consists of psychiatrists from around the world who are sceptical of the idea that mental disorders are simply brain diseases and of the dominance of the pharmaceutical industry.
We talk about the recent meta-analysis of the efficacy and tolerability of 21 antidepressant drugs, widely reported in the UK news media on February 22nd.
In the episode we discuss:
- The approach taken in the largest ever meta-analysis of efficacy and tolerability of 21 common antidepressant drugs.
- The problems inherent in comparing antidepressants with each other, as opposed to trials that compare the active drug to a placebo.
- That the main conclusion reached was that all the antidepressants studied were better than placebo at reducing depressive symptoms.
- The limitations of the study, particularly how response rate was selected as the primary outcome measure.
- That 'response' is mostly defined as a reduction in the Hamilton Depression Rating Scale (or other scale) rating of 50% or more during the study.
- That the response rate can artificially inflate the difference between drug and placebo.
- The problems with blinding in the supporting trials and the effects of including people who are already receiving antidepressant treatment.
- That the study did not include adverse effects or withdrawal difficulties, only dropout rates which are not representative of the whole picture of taking the drugs.
- The short-term nature of the supporting trials, mainly 8 weeks, with a range of 4 to 12 weeks, which cannot be easily compared with the real world experience of people taking the drugs for much longer periods.
- That, when the primary data is analysed (the depression rating scale scores) the differences between placebo and antidepressants are very small and probably clinically insignificant.
- The uncritical and sensational nature of the media reporting of the study and the link to the Science Media Centre.
- The concerns about the reporting that depression is under-treated in the UK which is not supported by the results of the study.
- That people should carefully consider the balance of benefit versus risk, taking into account the potential for adverse effects or difficulties stopping the drugs.
Relevant links:
Challenging the New Hype About Antidepressants
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the Madden America podcast, your source for science, psychiatry and social justice. |
| 0:13.4 | Hello, this is James, and welcome to episode 32 of the Madden America podcast. This week, I'm delighted to have been able to chat with Dr. Joanna |
| 0:22.3 | Moncrief. Dr. Moncrief is a psychiatrist, academic, and author. She has an interest in the |
| 0:28.2 | history, philosophy and politics of psychiatry, and particularly in the use, misuse and misrepresentation |
| 0:34.2 | of psychiatric drugs. As an author, Dr. Moncrief has written extensively on psychiatric |
| 0:38.9 | drugs, and her books include The Myth of the Chemical Cure, a Straight Talking Introduction to |
| 0:43.8 | Psychiatric Drugs, and the Bitterous Pills, the troubling story of antipsychotic drugs. |
| 0:49.1 | She is one of the founding members of the Critical Psychiatry Network, which consists of |
| 0:53.8 | psychiatrists from around the world who are skeptical of the critical psychiatry network, which consists of psychiatrists from around the |
| 0:55.2 | world who are skeptical of the idea that mental disorders are simply brain diseases and of the |
| 1:00.2 | dominance of the pharmaceutical industry. Joanna kindly made time to talk with me about the recent |
| 1:05.4 | Lancet study into antidepressant efficacy. Joanna, thank you so much for taking the time to chat with me today for the Madden America |
| 1:12.6 | podcast. I wanted to ask you about the recent study into antidepressant efficacy announced in the |
| 1:18.3 | Lancet and widely covered in the UK news media on Thursday, February 22nd. |
| 1:24.0 | You've written about some of the limitations of that study, including a piece for Mad in America. |
| 1:29.6 | So, firstly, I wondered if you could help me understand how the study was undertaken and maybe what its aims or goals were. |
| 1:36.4 | Yeah, absolutely. |
| 1:37.6 | So the study is a meta-analysis. |
| 1:39.7 | So that means that the authors have got the data from together from lots of different trials of |
| 1:46.0 | antidepressants and combined the data to get an overall effect measure. And so they've taken |
| 1:52.5 | lots and lots of randomized control trials comparing antidepressants and placebo, which is the |
| 1:58.5 | usual way of doing a meta-analysis of this sort. But they've also added in |
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