Joan Donovan on Disinformation and Social Movements
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
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🗓️ 28 January 2021
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Summary
For this episode of Arbiters of Truth, Lawfare’s miniseries on disinformation and misinformation, Kate Klonick and Quinta Jurecic spoke with Joan Donovan, the research director at the Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy at the Harvard Kennedy School. Her work focuses on networked social movements, disinformation and media manipulation—so she’s the perfect person to help untangle the continued fallout not only from the January 6 Capitol riot, but from the last four years more broadly. They talked about Joan’s route from researching Occupy Wall Street to studying far-right disinformation, the importance of understanding networks of communication and coordination in studying social media, and the responses of big social platforms to the violence in the Capitol.
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| 1:22.9 | as untarnished as possible. |
| 1:25.4 | I'm Quinted Jurassic and this is the LawFair podcast, January 28, 2021. |
| 1:34.4 | It's another episode of Arbiters of Truth. |
| 1:36.5 | LawFair is mini-series on disinformation and misinformation. |
| 1:40.5 | This week, Kate Klonic and I spoke with Joan Donovan, the research director at the |
| 1:44.8 | Shore and Steens Center and Media, Politics and Public Policy at the Harvard Kennedy School. |
| 1:50.5 | Her work focuses on networked social movements, disinformation and media manipulation. |
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