Hey guys, it's Pablo. Hello. Today's episode of ESPN Daily is a very special episode

because it is a conversation that I had with JJ Ratic in person at his home in Brooklyn.

And it was originally supposed to be about Ben Simmons and his possible return to Philadelphia

next week. But it ended up being about a lot more.

No, no, no, it's fine. Just set it on the floor so the wires don't like unplug or anything.

Right. I think you're good. That's out of the shot. You got your notebook.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm good to go. Cool. Cool.

All right. That's it.

I was someone that at almost eight years old in 1992,

late-ner hits the shot against Kentucky to win and over time. And I turned to my parents and I said,

I'm going to go play at Duke. JJ Ratic played in the NBA for 15 seasons after leaving Duke

University where he was one of the greatest scorers in the history of college basketball.

There's a long run of Duke players that have been using air quotes here but have been hated.

And it felt like everyone hated me. In the eyes of Duke Haydors, he is the new Christian

waitner, the shorter and with more range. JJ Ratic, the guy that opposing fans loved to hate.

And not just hated me, but would say very personal things to me.

Personally, every time Duke goes on the road, JJ Ratic hears the same kind of font and bark.

And as an 18, 19 year old kid with a very unhealthy ego structure like most 18, 19 year old kids,

I didn't know how to deal with that. Last time he was in the arena,

Ratic was serenaded by a profane chance that was fairly audible on TV, but it's not just at Maryland.

I saw Therapist for three years of Duke and it was my first journey into exploring and sort of

growing in my mental health. In the last few years, sports has grown dramatically when it comes

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