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I'm Miss Agreen for example I'm already upset when I find my ball in the bunker

I'm really upset and when I find my ball in the bunker I'm really upset and when I find my ball in a fried egg fried egg fried egg fried egg fried egg fried egg fried egg

I'm about ready to run off the golf course. Oh, In terms of you obviously have a passion for for golden age golf and golf in general like when did you know you wanted to be a

golf course architect? I didn't know I had no idea. I never played golf. I didn't understand golf. I was like Seth Rainer.

You know the famous quote that McDonald talked about Seth Rainer.

He didn't know a tennis ball from a golf ball?

That was me.

And I'm very thankful to Pete Die, who I got my career started with. He embraced the work that I was doing for him,

the creativity that he allowed me to do as a shaper. I started as a shaper. I knew how to draw because I was a high school drafting

trade teacher by trade, but I started as a shaper. And I didn't think I wanted to be in this golf business, but the more and more Pete Dye

sent me around looking at his golf courses, Old Marsh and PJ West, all these golf courses he had done, the golf club, on and on and on.

The more I started understanding the beauty of it.

And his son Perry died, sending me around to other golf courses allowing me to go to

Cypress Point the Dye sending me to St Andrews in Scotland they hooked me man they

hooked me big time and they hooked me, man. They hooked me big time.

And they hooked me because they showed me a different way to build a golf course.

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