So we go to hour number three. I've got Kenny Dillingham coming up, another Red Hawk coach.

And Arizona State's had an amazing year. And they were picked, I think, to finish 13th in their preseason conference pool.

Or preseason pick for conference. I'm still trying to figure out my favorite part of that Fran Brown conversation.

How about him just casually dropping that F-bomb early on?

Like that was nothing at all.

At that point, I knew that he was comfortable.

Not settled in, but just comfortable.

But you know, my biggest takeaway?

Comfortable with himself.

Clearly, very authentic, very real, very raw,

but very comfortable and very authentic and comfortable in his own skin. I mean, guys just

don't say things like he said. He was just being so real. So I'm trying to think of what my favorite moment was.

Him asking me to set him up with 50 cent so we could get him the exposure that he has earned

and me having no connection.

And I said, maybe you can help me get to him to help me stay relevant.

He said, maybe we can come together and he can help us both.

And then when I said to him, you know, hey, Fran, I'm really sorry we didn't do this sooner.

This is so great.

He's like, yeah, well, we would have, but we didn't win so you didn't call, which made me laugh.

That's why I said, actually, we do.

We've always talked Syracuse football.

He's something else.

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