You're going to Hello impeachment

explained listeners.

I'm sorry the podcast is over which impeachment itself had been a somewhat less depressing dive into the underbelly of the American political system.

But something I've said here quite often was that this was a show about impeachment that was in truth,

the show about polarization, because impeachment became a lens on political

polarization and the ways in which it is challenging and frustrating and

reshaping the way our political system works.

Over at my main podcast, the Ezra Cline Show,

where I do interviews on all kinds of things.

I've been exploring polarization a little bit more directly.

A lot of you will know I just brought out a book called Why We're Polarized and I've been having folks come on either as part of my live tour or just onto the show itself to talk about the book about polarization about what I get wrong about what we can see and understand in this moment by looking at the

past and one of the episodes I've done that I really loved was with Jill

LePore. You may know Jill. She's a Harvard historian, she wrote the amazing one-volume history of the

U.S. called These Truths. She writes for the New Yorker, of course. She's a favorite guest of

mind from the past, and she came on the show and did an interview with me that really pulled no punches.

It was very much about this question of,

but what if this whole way of knowing things about American politics is wrong?

What if social science itself cannot be trusted?

I think it's a great exploration of both

polarization as a question which you can see in that podcast and in a lot of other ones

I've been doing over there but also that one was just a fun way of

contesting different kinds of knowledge against each other and I think if you

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