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The Brian Lehrer Show

Jill Lepore on the American Constitution

The Brian Lehrer Show

WNYC

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4.61.5K Ratings

🗓️ 16 September 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Jill Lepore digs into the history of the country's founding document and what it means for the country that it is so difficult, but still possible, to change.

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0:00.0

It's the Brian Larry Show on WNYC.

0:14.4

And just to clarify a little bit on that Brian Kilnit statement and apology,

0:19.2

just so that we don't overstate or understate.

0:22.5

He did say on Fox and Friends when he apologized that in discussing the murder of the woman

0:31.3

in Charlotte, North Carolina, that's where it was, not Baltimore, and how to stop these

0:36.1

kinds of attacks by homeless, mentally ill, assailants, including institutionalizing or jailing such people, so they cannot attack again.

0:45.4

Quoting now, now, during that discussion, I wrongly said they should get lethal injections.

0:49.5

I apologize for that extremely callous remark.

0:52.8

I'm obviously aware that not all mentally ill

0:55.0

homeless people act as the perpetrator did in North Carolina, and so many homeless people

0:59.6

deserve our empathy and compassion. So there, it, you know, he kind of left open the idea that

1:10.4

he really meant to suggest after an attack,

1:14.1

but that's where the controversy was. Okay.

1:17.9

Back with us now, Harvard historian and New Yorker staff writer Jill Lepore.

1:23.2

Her new book is called We the People, a history of the U.S. Constitution.

1:27.5

Part of it is a history of the original document and the many successful and unsuccessful

1:32.2

attempts to amend it.

1:33.9

Part of the book is an argument to make the Constitution easier to amend.

1:38.2

I will definitely ask if that's a good idea, per her values in today's polarized country. But interestingly, one of Professor Lepore's

1:46.9

roles is director of Harvard's Amendment Project, which says it aims to compile, classify,

1:53.8

and analyze every significant attempt to revise the Constitution since 1787.

2:00.2

Jilipur was last here for her 2023 book, These

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