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wyoming Catholic.edu. Andrew Claven is with us today. One of the very few Americans in our time to have

become a leading voice in the literary arts and in political commentary. He is a renowned novelist.

In fact, he has a book coming out as we're recording this week entitled A Strange Habit of Mind,

which follows from his previous work quite nicely.

We're going to push that on libraries, readers, bookstores, please.

He's also a screenwriter, a successful one, and also an opinion writer whose pieces have

appeared in the Wall Street Journal and elsewhere

he hosts one of the most popular podcasts on current affairs at The Daily Wire. His new book, though,

is on a different subject. It's called The Truth and Beauty, how the lives and works of

England's greatest poets point the way to a deeper understanding of the words of Jesus. That is our

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